What Does OPPO think of the NB MazdaSpeed Miata?

"Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen" (sportwagen)
09/22/2014 at 22:08 • Filed to: Thoughts, Miata, Mazdaspeed, MX-5

I know I seem to be going through "one of those stages" where I want every single car in the world... but this is semi-serious (in the next 2-3 years serious!). Feel free to chime in! If you are an owner could you list the pros and cons? !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!!

DISCUSSION (57)

Suby555 > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen
09/22/2014 at 22:12

I just bought one. Same color, similar miles, similar price. I had an NA, and didn't like it. But the MSM is awesome. Love ot

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > Suby555
09/22/2014 at 22:12

Nice! Any pics?

mcseanerson > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen
09/22/2014 at 22:13

They are overvalued in my opinion. I've never driven one but it's not difficult or expensive to turbo a stock Miata and from what I've read/heard Mazdaspeed Miatas are not perfect and still need little things to make them a lot better. Not saying they're bad but I think everyone selling one, including the one listed above, are overpriced. You could buy a similar stock NA/NB for significantly less and make it faster and you wouldn't care about racking up miles like people with low mileage rare Miatas are starting to do.

For Sweden > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen
09/22/2014 at 22:13

Are you really asking what people here think of a Miata?

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen
09/22/2014 at 22:14

Wouldn't buy one, but everyone loves the normal version, and this is somehow more I would assume (power?) so how bad can it be?

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > mcseanerson
09/22/2014 at 22:16

How about this one? $6k with 158k miles!

daender > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen
09/22/2014 at 22:16

Good Miata, but it could have been a lot better. No cruise control, big heavy 17s, turbo and injectors need to be upgraded if you want more power, and the 6-speed combined with a 4.30 (or was it 4.10?) rear really holds it back. However, a 3.66 rear and DYI wiring project using a NB cruise control module could really make this a decent daily turbo-Miata for auto-x and spirited drives.

Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura > mcseanerson
09/22/2014 at 22:16

What if you wanted a turbo without doing the work?

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > For Sweden
09/22/2014 at 22:16

*derp* maybe -_-

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
09/22/2014 at 22:17

IDK, it has like 60 more WHP than a normal NB miata

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > daender
09/22/2014 at 22:18

Or get an Evolution Orange NB, turbo it, and you have a cheap MS Miata!

daender > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen
09/22/2014 at 22:19

Bingo! The NB1 and MSM engines are very identical to each other!

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > daender
09/22/2014 at 22:23

That or this ?

mcseanerson > Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura
09/22/2014 at 22:26

I'd rather pay the meth addict who lives in the garbage can behind my house to install a Flyin' Miata kit for $50

daender > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen
09/22/2014 at 22:28

Hmm, I'm on the fence with that SVT. On one hand, if the mods were installed properly and the car drives okay, then it's a good buy if you're into a heavily-modified SVT Focus. It's a very fun hot-hatch that doubles as a daily. On the other hand, a rebuilt motor, the tacky carbon fiber hood, faded paint, and that many miles does raise a few flags.

mcseanerson > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen
09/22/2014 at 22:29

That's actually much better in my opinion, I don't trust low mileage cars anyways. Still I'd rather turbo a stock one than buy a Mazdaspeed Miata.

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > daender
09/22/2014 at 22:33

This?

daender > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen
09/22/2014 at 22:36

Besides being 1,486 miles away from Kansas, it looks fine. I would check the SVT forums for any common issues/problems it might have in the future/past.

wallaby13 > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen
09/22/2014 at 22:39

When you turbo a Miata you loose the essence of what the Miata is. It's a lightweight agile sports car with very little power. It's not supposed to be fast it's supposed to teach you how to drive quickly and maintain momentum. A turbo on a Miata is like a band-aid for a bad driver.

I had an NB2 and liked it, although I wasn't a fan of convertibles. If you want more power buy a 350Z.

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > daender
09/22/2014 at 22:41

Hm, well distance isn't an issue for me (I love roadtrips!!!) Dad and I flew out to Charlottesville VA to pick up an 06 Jeep Liberty CRD... Mom and Dad flew out to Denver to pick up my VW (and drove it home on one tank of gas!)...

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > wallaby13
09/22/2014 at 22:41

But the 350Z is heavier... (I like small cars ;)

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > mcseanerson
09/22/2014 at 22:44

I saw an Evolution Orange NB for sale on Craigslist for 4500 with 150k miles... better invest in Flyin Miata now ;)

EDIT: here it is!!!

mcseanerson > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen
09/22/2014 at 22:50

This is actually two great cars to choose from. If you are considering both of these I would find someone who knows Miatas well to go with you and help you pick.

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > mcseanerson
09/22/2014 at 22:53

The MSM and the NB?

mcseanerson > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen
09/22/2014 at 22:54

The $6k and the $4500k one.

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > mcseanerson
09/22/2014 at 22:56

Hm, too bad I'm not serious right now ;( I'm waiting till I have a job and some money... being 17 with no job SUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKSSSSSSSSSS

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen
09/22/2014 at 22:57

Great cars. Take a normal NB, Add stiffer suspension bits, add a small turbo for 30ish more hp. Not much to ruin there

mcseanerson > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen
09/22/2014 at 22:58

Being any age without a job sucks. Ask Oliver Twist.

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time
09/22/2014 at 23:08

This + this + this + 4 of these or Four of these + 4 of these = TRACK DAY BRO!

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Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > mcseanerson
09/22/2014 at 23:10

LOL I know ;( I want it SO bad though... also looking at these too.

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen
09/22/2014 at 23:12

Except both those wheels are heavier than stock wheels... not good

http://www.miata.net/faq/wheel_weig…

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time
09/22/2014 at 23:14

But more rubber (surface area) is better for autocross, right?

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen
09/22/2014 at 23:15

Yes but you can get wider wheels that weight less than stock. I went an inch wider on my wheels and they are 1.5 lbs lighter each wheel than stock

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time
09/22/2014 at 23:17

Where would I find those???

Textured Soy Protein > wallaby13
09/22/2014 at 23:24

Bah. That is all I have to say about your 350Z idea. 350Zs suck. Miatas don't. If you want a Miata with more power, add more power to a Miata. Don't replace it with a shittier car.

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen
09/22/2014 at 23:27

I bought mine off tire rack, but most Miata specific sites have wider and low weight wheels

Textured Soy Protein > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen
09/22/2014 at 23:28

I had 15x8 949 Racing 6UL wheels on my NB. Then you can run 225/45-15 tires.

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > Textured Soy Protein
09/22/2014 at 23:30

Holy crap that is wide for it's diameter!

Textured Soy Protein > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen
09/22/2014 at 23:33

Yup, I ran 225/45-15 Hankook RS2s which are basically a street tire class autocross tire. They've since become the RS3 version 2. Very sticky. Those with some decent shocks, springs, sway bars and an alignment (Miatas are fully alignable from the factory, don't need camber kits etc) and you'll have a ridiculously good handling car.

You could always get an MSM, sell the stock wheels, and get some nice light 15x8s. The 949s are 11.6 lbs each.

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > Textured Soy Protein
09/22/2014 at 23:35

OOOOOHHHH STOP TEMPTING ME

Textured Soy Protein > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen
09/22/2014 at 23:37

And really the stock MSM suspension is fine. Lighter/wider tires & wheels + adjustable sway bar end links + good alignment is a solid setup.

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > Textured Soy Protein
09/22/2014 at 23:40

STAAAAAHHHHPPPP NNNAAAAOOOO

Kinja'd!!!

wallaby13 > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen
09/23/2014 at 01:23

Yes it's heavier but it's not heavy. It's 3200 lbs with 305 hp or 10.45 lb/hp

MSM is 2540 lbs and 178 hp or 14.3 lb/hp

If you like small cars just get a regular NB. The MSM only has 36 more hp, but is twice the price (normally) of an NB. You're going to upgrade the turbo, injectors, intercooler, exhaust ect anyways if you buy an MSM. You might as well just build the NB better the first time and save a chunk of change.

I still think a Miata should be N/A but to each their own. Yes the MSM was fun when I drove it, but I felt my NB2 was more of what a Miata should be.

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > wallaby13
09/23/2014 at 07:35

Ah, I see... this???

MR2_FTW - Group J's resident Stig > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen
09/23/2014 at 11:08

The MSM has many things that are awesome. Interior is great, engine is pretty nice, biggest brakes and most bracing of any Miata up to that point, factory Billsteins and stiffer springs make it a fun car.

HOWEVER it has a couple things that completely ruin it.

1. Drivetrain

The turbo engine has a much broader powerband and is much torquier than than the standard car, yet they shortened the gears with a 6-speed AND gave it a shorter final drive. You shift every 0.2 seconds in this car. Around town you'll find yourself starting in 2nd because 1st is too short, and just shifting 2 - 4 - 6 because the gearing is so bad. Fun fact: this car is gear limited to like 127 mph, banging off the limiter in 6th. Mazda should have given this car an uprated 5-speed to take advantage of the powerband from the turbo.

2. 17" wheels on a Miata make for a lot of rotating unsprung weight, and low-profile tires make for a very harsh ride. Swapping on some 16's or 15's with meaty rubber do this car a lot of good.

wallaby13 > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen
09/24/2014 at 00:10

I think it's a little overpriced for an NB1. The accessories aren't exactly awesome either.

It's also up to you if you even want to modify a miata, and how much experience you have with modifying cars. MSM is by no means a bad choice, for the money I'd choose a different car. But the MSM does give you something to drive right away without needing time or money invested into turbo'ing another miata.

Those are only my opinions and you will have different outlooks.

I'm going to assume you are in houston based on the other ad.

http://houston.craigslist.org/cto/4656401076…

Notice the spec miata in the back ground? You might be able to work some go fast parts into the deal. Or at least a hard top. The LS is the 6 speed with LSD as well.

Leon711 > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen
09/24/2014 at 06:50

Just move to the UK my NB was £1600 or under $3000, with 68k miles.

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > Leon711
09/24/2014 at 07:39

But your motto isn't "Guns, Freedom, and Jesus!" -The Campaign

Leon711 > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen
09/24/2014 at 07:43

We have guns, but you need a licence and can't carry one around. Freedom, we'll let you import any car. Jesus, well we have churches.

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > Leon711
09/24/2014 at 07:47

A gallon of gas (3.78L) costs about 5 Pounds right? A gallon where I live is $3.19 (about 1.75 pounds, I think)

Leon711 > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen
09/24/2014 at 07:54

details.

you are permitted to manufacture 1500 litres of your own fuel each year, Ethanol anyone?

Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > Leon711
09/24/2014 at 07:56

E85 tuned R33 GT-R with the boost turned the F up? HELL YES

JaxMSM > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen
01/27/2015 at 00:08

Holy Crap. That literally is my car. The add you're showing is from a Spanos Motors in Daytona Fl. I bought this exact car from then a week after this post. It's sitting in my garage now. It's been fun!

Kinja'd!!!

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Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > JaxMSM
01/27/2015 at 00:31

NEED MORE PICS! PLZ! Also, does it really have like 170k miles?

JaxMSM > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen
02/16/2015 at 11:10

Naaa it had 42k on the odo. Now it has 47k and I couldn't be happier. Put all of the bolt ons on and it's at about 200 whp. It's no joke!

JaxMSM > Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen
02/16/2015 at 11:12

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Sportwägen, Driver Of The Red Sportwagen > JaxMSM
02/16/2015 at 11:12

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